Student punished for spaghetti beliefs

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Permalink Reply by Alyssa hartsoe on August 24, 2010 at 6:07pm

Looooove this ! I'm not an atheist, or anything of the sort, but i honestly believe this shows exactly how religions can be started. i find christianity, islam, judaism, even buddhism, no less ridiculous. all religions worship something, and pastafarianism is absolutely no different. right on.

Permalink Reply by Smallgoat on August 26, 2010 at 1:05pm

"Even Buddhism". It makes alot more sense then any of the other crap you've listed.

Permalink Reply by Lucius Drake on August 28, 2010 at 4:07pm

"[. . .]any of the other crap you've listed."

Surely that is a matter of opinion regarding which religion makes the most sense to any individual. Since there exists evidence to contradict claims made by every religion, it must be said that religion -as a whole- only makes sense when viewed in the light of history and psychology. Early humans needed explanations for natural phenomena and came up with the best they could at the time: "Magical beings we cannot see must be responsible."
As we have learned more about the nature of the universe around us, the explanatory nature of religion has become outdated and unnecessary.
Religion has also historically existed as a form of control. It can be proven that humans (and indeed apes and other hominids) have a sense of morality that exists without being taught any kinds of ethics or religious moralities. (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/20/science/20moral.html) (http://it.moldova.org/news/biologist-sees-morality-in-apes-37909-en...)

The flying spaghetti monster is a wonderful example of whimsy and satire. Quite frankly it is no more or less patently ridiculous than any religion.

That last is opinion, but it is strongly supported. I advise the reading both Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris for background reading.

Permalink Reply by Chuck VonDerAhe on September 8, 2010 at 6:37pm

As the Archbishop of the Second Reformed Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Mobile, Alabama Synod, I am very disturbed about this outrageous slander of our faith by the school board. I will offer an additional serving of Marinara as a sacrifice to his Noodlyness this evening. Can I get a rAMEN?

Permalink Reply by Daniel Ordonez on October 10, 2010 at 7:40pm

This is the furthermost example of non-tolerance and a keen controll system in society and, sadly, since our very first years of life, at school. I ask everyone, What harm does the kid to anyone. The answer is obviously non, except for those christian opressors, who play the role of nice-smiles, but deep inside are meticulous, dirty-playing opressors, who love their job positions, salary and benefits. I ask myself, Who mught it disrup a pirate dressed kid who sustains or doesnt a belief system of his own. Nobody, but the system prefers docile, repugnant silent beigs, conformists and sheep. I ask myself, wether or not someday we will really stop using stupid useless ties in behalf of our oun comfort at work, and stop going to church to watch out for guys or girls with utmost hipocresy, synism, and power freek attitudes. I expected more from the educational system of socrates, plato or aristoteles. But I guess fanatic power thyrsty people allways mess, or try to mess with the good stuff.

Permalink Reply by patrick k rose on October 11, 2010 at 9:04pm

I am all for equality but can we stop arguing. let people believe what they want. Don't teach it in schools, but let people believe in God or Buddha or Allah. As long as they don't infringe on my rights then they can have orgies to Baal, I don't care. I just think this spaghetti monster thing is just mean spirited. it is making fun of faith not making an argument for education. The argument for or against god is not the issue. The issue is, should the schools teach fact or superstitions. I believe the true argument to be one of logic and not of faith. We go to school to learn how to think. We are taught facts and we, as humans, use these facts to create solutions to the problems of every day existence. Faith, on the other hand, only answers one question; what does existence mean? this question requires faith because it is a question that doesn't have a quantifiable solution. we have to fill in with faith what we don't have in fact. Any answer to this question of "what does it all mean?" would only be a guess. so if faith bridges the gap from reality to a guess then I would say keep it to yourself or others of your like mind but, keep it separate from empirical fact. if you wish your children to learn that Jesus walked with dinosaurs then you can teach it to your own children or send them to a private school. I wish my children an education of empirical truth by which they will be able to make up there own minds about what it all means.

Permalink Reply by Logan Byers on October 18, 2010 at 5:44pm

rAMEN!! :D

Permalink Reply by Barbara Lee on October 26, 2010 at 6:41pm

Daniel, I understand that you were too much of an anarchist to bother studying spelling when you went to school...but at least learn to use spell-check on your computer before you dare to criticize teachers or school officials.

Permalink Reply by Barbara Lee on October 26, 2010 at 7:03pm

The problem, Patrick, is that the True Believers think creationism IS fact because the Bible is considered, by Christians, to be the inspired Word of God. Fundamentalists understand the Bible, usually the 500 year old King James English translation, literally. (Most Christians and all Jews [to whom the creation stories actually belong, so they ought to be most authoritative] understand the Bible as a collection of middle-eastern literature, including myth, folk stories, rules, history and philosophy.) The Fundies, as we know them today, have only been around since the late 1800s. The are really repulsed by the thought that humans might be related, no matter how distantly, to apes. These people, who were quite rural, simple and backward when the movement began, are today usually just minimally educated, so they confuse the word "theory" as used informally with the scientific definition of the word. That causes them to believe that evolution is merely a suggested scenario for the origin of species. None of the name brand Christian churches, who have actual theologians, believe this nonsense.

Permalink Reply by stephen on October 26, 2010 at 8:30pm

Barbara Lee, debates are ruined by people such as yourself, someone who cannot attack the subject with a degree of intelligence so they decide to attack the person.

Permalink Reply by stephen on October 26, 2010 at 8:33pm

but then again i should have scrolled down a bit, my appologies

Permalink Reply by Daniel Ordonez on October 27, 2010 at 11:55am

Barbara, english is my second language, I'm sorry for the miss-spells, you're right on that one, of course, grammar, is, indeed, a science. I got to thank stephen for his defense on me where I was the person attacked, instead of the subject. Barbara, there are thousands of religions in the world. You may have Christianism as a majority in your homeland, and teach whatever you want to children, of course, if you're a majority, but, you live in a democratic country, not an authoritarian one, and you have to respect therefore the minorities, if not, you're not in a democracy. So then, you're saying all other belief systems are untrue, for instance, hawaian legends of creation?, or even Islam, to which there are a lot of believers inside the United States? or even Hinduism, regarded as much more antique than chiristianity. Barbara, let me tell you something about the bible. The bible is a collection of books, included genesis, which was writen after the stories heard by oral tradition. Even the flood subject you will find ind other sources, different from the bible, to be more clear, Babilonian, exactly, the empire that conquered Israel. You see, you live in a country with Greek values, such as democracy, dialogue and debate, but many people take a book, and make of it a reason to punish, depredate and controll. Even the new testament is a collage, made by a Roman Emperor. Still Luther thought he was doing right, to call the ultimate truth, a book that had been in too many habns to be called even pure, not to say "the word of God". I respect the bible, I myself enjoy of its teachings of peace (of course no in every book of it) but let me tell you, that tolerance, is far more nurishing than blind fanatism.

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