Wishful Thinking: A Cheap Alternative to Inquiry

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Permalink Reply by Bette Kibble on August 18, 2011 at 8:51pm

    Funny quote by Alan watts ...so True...Some do however report they can see it and even feel and taste the ocean in Meditation,which of course is a different matter....

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Permalink Reply by Bette Kibble on August 18, 2011 at 9:02pm

I just googled "The Secret" and it seems the deeper roots are in the "Law of Attraction"  and I do see that working...whatever is in our Consciousness we do attract

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Permalink Reply by Eric Allen Bell on August 18, 2011 at 10:54pm

It's not as simple as that, Bette.  What's "in our consciousness" at the egoic level - such as "I want a new car" does not have as much power as what is in our consciousness at the deeper level, such as "I'm afraid God is mad at me and that I will go to hell so I will spend my life in fear and deny myself any pleasure"... for example :)

 

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Permalink Reply by Bette Kibble on August 18, 2011 at 11:06pm

Wasn't thinking it was a simple as that...just trying to start a discussion.  I am refering  to Pure Consciousness,as in the Samadhi state. don't believe in Hell as such anymore.....except the ones we create by our imagined separation from the Oneness of All      (pleasure and pain are 2 sides of the same coin....fleeting) Joy is another matter

Eric Allen Bell said:

It's not as simple as that, Bette.  What's "in our consciousness" at the egoic level - such as "I want a new car" does not have as much power as what is in our consciousness at the deeper level, such as "I'm afraid God is mad at me and that I will go to hell so I will spend my life in fear and deny myself any pleasure"... for example :)

 

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Permalink Reply by Eric Allen Bell on August 19, 2011 at 4:02am

Indeed :)

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Permalink Reply by Peyton Cocker on August 19, 2011 at 8:45am

Exactly, I thought the aim of getting cars, clothes, success, and all that rubbish was a bit out there just to help sell it to consumers.  But it did hit home when it talked about the Law of Attraction and I have definately seen that working in the Universe.

Bette Kibble said:

I just googled "The Secret" and it seems the deeper roots are in the "Law of Attraction"  and I do see that working...whatever is in our Consciousness we do attract

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Permalink Reply by Eric Allen Bell on August 19, 2011 at 10:10am

If one is seeking to wake up, using affirmations to get material things or make progress by societal standards is a side show attraction.

 

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Permalink Reply by Bette Kibble on August 19, 2011 at 11:21am

exactly so....some people project their level of their Consciousness when they read something like this and our society's consumerism ...much wants more! "Oh Boy does that mean I get a new car ! "    there is nothing"wrong" with getting your basic needs met...like  food shelter....Maslow's Heirarchy to Self actualization...which says basically that you have to start with your basic needs.. to survive  .then you can work on Self actualization.....that is thePyschological approach....I have seen some poor people with nothing..begging ...(like sadhus...monks) that are Self actualized and don't consider themselves poor. ...theyConsider the rest of the Material world poor..( what good is the whole world if you lose your Self"?   Depends where your Consciousness lies.   If your Consciousness is higher or more evovled...those people often attract Abundance and betterment and Peace for the whole world.....sometimes just by the Light and Peace they emanate... 

Peyton Cocker said:

Exactly, I thought the aim of getting cars, clothes, success, and all that rubbish was a bit out there just to help sell it to consumers.  But it did hit home when it talked about the Law of Attraction and I have definately seen that working in the Universe.

Bette Kibble said:

I just googled "The Secret" and it seems the deeper roots are in the "Law of Attraction"  and I do see that working...whatever is in our Consciousness we do attract

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Permalink Reply by Eric Allen Bell on August 19, 2011 at 9:57pm

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Permalink Reply by Bette Kibble on August 20, 2011 at 9:38pm

Exactly!
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Permalink Reply by Alexi on August 21, 2011 at 9:37pm

Eric - you know I'm a huge fan of your blogs, however, let me challenge notion of "loony".  

I was just talking about this book yesterday.  Haven't read it, but get the premise.  There's a lot of stuff like this going on the market to address what (in my experience) is a pretty amazing spiritual awakening around the world.  It's frustrating that the (valid) concept of manifestation and self-empowerment is co-oped with selfish end goals, specifically, material wealth.  It's almost laughable, as in my experience, manifestations based in ego simply don't work and probably b/c they are not in alignment with (The Divine/Spirit/Light/Universe/Global Consciousness).

Yet, I wonder if we're throwing out the baby with the bath water here. The root concept is not loony, the simplification and application of it is.  Yes, the idea that one would get to skip through the hard work of self-reflection and such makes me want to slam my head against the wall. However, if the masses were drawn to at least investigate the concept, albeit for the "wrong reasons", doesn't that at least get to take a look at a different approach to "getting what they want"?  Oprah is a good example of someone using material wealth and associated power to effect positive change in the world, and also endorses many of the concepts in this book.

Hate to do this to ya, but it was actually a comment you made in your documentary "Not Welcome" that had me try to look at a different perspective on all this stuff.  You had talked about how all the hatred was making you hate the hate-mongers, that there had to be a better way of looking at things.  Doesn't the same philosophy apply to the ones who maybe started out with the right concept, but then took it to loony conclusion, one that fit best with their desired view of how things work/reality?  What was the intention of this author?  

I can't claim any level of "true enlightenment" yet, and maybe I never will.  However, if I changed my current occupation to one in the area of global consciousness, you have given me a great biz dev idea.  I would create a campaign to draft off this stuff.  Let the multi-million dollar word of mouth on "The Secret" create interest, then re-direct that interest to places like Global TV, where they can find related info, a community, and the path they need to be on.  Honestly, I would re-purpose your blog post too, as it was (as usual) very bold, which compels discussion - it's 10:30 PM at night and I'm taking the time to respond b/c of that, so kudos on that front.  

The Matrix, Inception, similar books and TV series may all conform to what the masses want, in order to get an audience and sell.  My question to you is this:

Does it created more confusion and misdirection?  Or is it helping to get the word out about a bigger picture? 

Just curious...

 

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Permalink Reply by Bette Kibble on August 22, 2011 at 9:10am

Yes,Alexi...good point. I hear you saying the Larger point and message was lost on the smaller minds Projecting themselves and their materialistic desires onto it.   It does not mean that at some point in our lives we won't engage our larger minds and see the Big picture and in our Realized Selves, as you mention Oprah, be able to use the power of the Laws of Attraction and manifesting for the Greater Good and Enlightenment of All.I like your analogy of throwing out the baby with the bath water. Yes and You are already Enlightened Alexi...Just see the Light in You and Realize That......Peace and Thank you bette

Alexi said:

Eric - you know I'm a huge fan of your blogs, however, let me challenge notion of "loony".  

I was just talking about this book yesterday.  Haven't read it, but get the premise.  There's a lot of stuff like this going on the market to address what (in my experience) is a pretty amazing spiritual awakening around the world.  It's frustrating that the (valid) concept of manifestation and self-empowerment is co-oped with selfish end goals, specifically, material wealth.  It's almost laughable, as in my experience, manifestations based in ego simply don't work and probably b/c they are not in alignment with (The Divine/Spirit/Light/Universe/Global Consciousness).

Yet, I wonder if we're throwing out the baby with the bath water here. The root concept is not loony, the simplification and application of it is.  Yes, the idea that one would get to skip through the hard work of self-reflection and such makes me want to slam my head against the wall. However, if the masses were drawn to at least investigate the concept, albeit for the "wrong reasons", doesn't that at least get to take a look at a different approach to "getting what they want"?  Oprah is a good example of someone using material wealth and associated power to effect positive change in the world, and also endorses many of the concepts in this book.

Hate to do this to ya, but it was actually a comment you made in your documentary "Not Welcome" that had me try to look at a different perspective on all this stuff.  You had talked about how all the hatred was making you hate the hate-mongers, that there had to be a better way of looking at things.  Doesn't the same philosophy apply to the ones who maybe started out with the right concept, but then took it to loony conclusion, one that fit best with their desired view of how things work/reality?  What was the intention of this author?  

I can't claim any level of "true enlightenment" yet, and maybe I never will.  However, if I changed my current occupation to one in the area of global consciousness, you have given me a great biz dev idea.  I would create a campaign to draft off this stuff.  Let the multi-million dollar word of mouth on "The Secret" create interest, then re-direct that interest to places like Global TV, where they can find related info, a community, and the path they need to be on.  Honestly, I would re-purpose your blog post too, as it was (as usual) very bold, which compels discussion - it's 10:30 PM at night and I'm taking the time to respond b/c of that, so kudos on that front.  

The Matrix, Inception, similar books and TV series may all conform to what the masses want, in order to get an audience and sell.  My question to you is this:

Does it created more confusion and misdirection?  Or is it helping to get the word out about a bigger picture? 

Just curious...

 

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